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prettysock ([info]prettysock) wrote,
@ 2009-05-31 21:15:00

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Thinky Thoughts on Age and Fandom
I had only intended to use this journal once, to post the previous entry. Honestly, I'd forgotten I had this account. But I came back across it, and thought it might be worth posting one more time.

When I last posted, I was fourteen, almost fifteen. As I write this entry, I've just celebrated my sixteenth birthday. It's a very strange experience for me now, realizing that I'm finally of a somewhat "legitimate" age to be actively involved in fandom. Of course, most sixteen year olds in fandom are new to the game, and I now have almost five years behind me. I'm still maintaining my total separation between my fannish life and my personal life, but I'm beginning to realize that I wouldn't have to do that if I were to create a new account today.

I believe teenagers and preteenagers are far, far more capable than we give them credit for. ("We" as society and "we" as fandom.) I still see young fans, here used to mean younger than sixteen, stereotyped and generally disparaged, and it's disheartening. I think young fans have valuable contributions to make in all areas of fandom. And while I understand that the unchanged legal climate in regards to minors and sexually explicit material will continue to prevent young fans from being able to be completely or exclusively open about their ages, I think there are other problems that contribute more significantly.

There are two important things I think adult fans could do to make fandom as a whole more welcoming to young fans.

First, stop using age as an insult and an indicator of maturity or ability. Age grouping doesn't take into account individual differences and assumes that everyone born near a certain time will behave in the same or at least a similar manner. I simply don't think that's true. A person's age, like their race or gender, is innate. I can't change my date of birth. I don't want to, and that shouldn't limit my opportunities or allow others to dismiss my ideas. Speaking only from personal experience, seeing the term "twelve-year-old fanbrat" used as an insult can majorly influence a young fan (twelve or not) to hide the fact that they're young, or not to speak up in a discussion at all.

Second, if you encounter a fan of any age who is new, and who is "doing it wrong," from spelling and grammar to netiquette? Help them out. Instead of passing them over or writing them off, link them to a relevant article. Suggest they find a beta or two. Tell them - in a non-flamey manner - what the issue is, and why. Yes, some will ignore you or take it personally. But I would still be making the same mistakes I did when I was twelve if it weren't for the people who left comments on my fanfic and messaged me when I was being stupid. If it weren't for the friends I've made. So be friendly! Don't think of them as a clueless teenager; just think of them as another new fan who needs to learn the ropes. They may well surprise you.

One thing I think is true of both fandom and society in general is that our youth are what we expect them to be. Only modern society places the age of adulthood at eighteen - and sometimes higher. And if you expect childishness and incompetence from a teenager, a teenage fan, that's probably what you'll get. But it's not because they're not capable of more, it's that they don't know that they are. So don't put them down; help them learn the ropes.

One of my main motivations for writing this post is the parallels I've seen recently between events in my real life and my history as a fan. Last fall I started attending college at fifteen, after many tests, interviews, and evaluations. And as I sat in class my first day, surrounded by students much older than I am, I was reminded of fandom. And I realized fandom helped prepare me for that environment better than anything else in my past.

So that's the other thing I wanted to say: Fandom is good for young fans. I've learned more practical grammar from studying good and bad fanfic, from reviews, and from fanfic guides than from anything I took in school. I've learned vocabulary and critical reading skills. Through fic research, I've learned about science, history, and medicine. All on my own time, because I wanted to, because it would help me do what I love: Read and write fic.

The academic things I've learned seem almost irrelevant in light of the ways I've become a better person by being a fan. At twelve years old, I was well on my way to being a right little jerk. Certain that my experiences were universally valid, that my intentions were blameless, and that my parents and their beliefs were infallible. And in fandom? That doesn't fly long. One of the most important things I learned is that I am very often wrong. I learned that people I had been unconsciously taught to distrust and objectify were very often wonderful beyond the telling of it. I had my political, religious, and social assumptions strongly challenged on a weekly basis. It was new.

And that's important, I think. My life had been shaped by basically just one perspective, one type of life experience. And fans are nothing if not different from one another. We have our issues, huge issues sometimes. And those huge problems aren't somehow "worth it" just because they might help someone ignorant learn. But while we work to fix our issues, we're making people aware that they exist and that they are problems.

The adult will always be what's "normal". You - soon to be "we" - will always have the power. And so it's going to be our responsibility to treat kids like what they are - people, not extensions of their parents, not people-in-training, and not small adults. And fandom, to me, is as good a place as any to start.


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[info]yourlibrarian
2009-06-01 04:02 pm UTC (link)
Nice to see a follow-up post. I was curious if when you said this:

"Last fall I started attending college at fifteen, after many tests, interviews, and evaluations. And as I sat in class my first day, surrounded by students much older than I am, I was reminded of fandom."

you could elaborate on how this helped you in school/social settings? I know you mention above that it allowed you to temper your own views with the input of others, but I wondered if there were other social benefits?

But while we work to fix our issues, we're making people aware that they exist and that they are problems.

Nicely said.

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[info]prettysock
2009-06-01 09:32 pm UTC (link)
you could elaborate on how this helped you in school/social settings? I know you mention above that it allowed you to temper your own views with the input of others, but I wondered if there were other social benefits?

Sure. The first class I took, the one that first and most strongly made me think of fandom, was a political science class. So the ability to think about information, people, and ideas from multiple points of view was critical. Reading and (sometimes) writing meta helped me think about how to form my reaction papers. It was also helpful during debates and discussions of various political issues. Betaing fiction helped with peer editing.

From a social perspective, I think fandom has made me (on the whole) more self-confident and gives me a sense of contribution. I think more before I speak than I used to, and am more conscious of my word choices. I'm better at giving and receiving constructive criticism.

The social benefit that I can most directly tie to fandom, though, is that I'm not so worried about being "normal". I used to be really, really concerned about what other people thought. I'm not so much, anymore.

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[info]yourlibrarian
2009-06-02 09:20 am UTC (link)
Great examples! I could really see how true that is for so many of us, regardless of age really. I think one thing teachers struggle with, for instance, is students preparing assignments as if other people would actually be reading it. Presumably all of them are aware that an instructor will be reading it, but I always wonder if the writing and sense of "audience" wouldn't be different if they had more practice in writing for the public. And, as you point out, that's what a lot of meta is.

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[info]pandorasblog
2009-06-04 11:14 am UTC (link)
The academic things I've learned seem almost irrelevant in light of the ways I've become a better person by being a fan. At twelve years old, I was well on my way to being a right little jerk. Certain that my experiences were universally valid, that my intentions were blameless, and that my parents and their beliefs were infallible. And in fandom? That doesn't fly long. One of the most important things I learned is that I am very often wrong. I learned that people I had been unconsciously taught to distrust and objectify were very often wonderful beyond the telling of it. I had my political, religious, and social assumptions strongly challenged on a weekly basis. It was new.

This. I'm a very different person because of fandom, and you express an experience very much like mine. The major difference is that I didn't get into fandom until my early twenties, but I suspect that functionally our experiences were similar, because I was very young for my age in many ways and had missed a lot of school and all the normal teenage experiences due to bad health. In effect, my early twenties were my teen years.

A consequence of that was that when I got into fandom, I gravitated not so much to people my own age (with whom, at least early on, I felt out of my depth and lacking in common ground), but to those who were either a few years older (with whom I didn't feel any pressure to compete) or a few years younger (who were going through a lot of the same new experiences as me), so that at twenty or twenty-one I was mostly talking to people either in their early-to-mid-teens or late twenties/early thirties. It took me a while to make friends with people of my own age as well, and also to realise that this pattern had occurred at all, or why. But the result of it has been that I met a lot of fiercely intelligent and mature younger fans, to the extent that now I'm surprised if the opposite is true of younger fans.

I hadn't thought that a lot of fans would be hiding their ages, but I guess it makes sense, particularly in light of all the kerfuffles over Harry Potter fandom content on LiveJournal. And of course, there's all those older fans who are reluctant to admit their ages. In Vampire Chronicles fandom, we'll occasionally get someone who coyly admits that they read 'Interview with the Vampire' when it was first published. And I'd honestly love to talk to more people like that, just as I'm always happy when I see fourteen-year-olds getting into the books. Lately 'Twilight' has led to a certain anti-teen prejudice in vampire-centric fandoms, which is a shame considering how many people got into their source-material-of-choice as teenagers, and were presumably active in fandom then....

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[info]sqbr
2009-06-08 12:16 am UTC (link)
(Oops, this has been sitting in "preview comment" for AGES but may was well post it now as not :))

Hi, I can't remember how I came across this post but: hear hear. Being an old fogey (nearly 30! :)) the internet didn't really exist when I was 12, and was a different place than it is now when I did get into online fandom at 17. Also as far as I remember you're the first person under about 17 I've knowingly spoken to in online fandom (presumably there were others but I didn't know). But in general, I remember being ignored or belittled because I was younger than other people, and I've met many cool people in meatspace fandom and elsewhere who were much older or much younger than me. I think it's really important and rewarding to try to get to know and be welcoming to people who are a bit different to yourself, whether it be because of age or gender or interests or whatever. I've always tried to be welcoming to younger fans in local offline fandom because I remember how much I appreciated the people who were welcoming to me, and I've made some good friends as a result.

I'm going to try and keep an eye out for younger fans now, just because I haven't noticed them doesn't mean thy weren't around :)

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[info]yonmei
2009-06-14 04:13 pm UTC (link)
I got into fandom when I was 16: I was writing for slash fanzines well before I was 18. I wrote my first-ever slash story well over 25 years ago: I went to my first convention over 26 years ago.

I didn't particularly want people to know how young I was. But then it also didn't occur to me to make a point of my age.

Partly this had to do with my *ahem* studied disinformation campaign to get copies of slash zines which I was technically not legal to buy (which I justified to myself on the basis that my parents had always, always had held to the principle that if I was old enough to want to read something, I was old enough to read it - and hadn't in any case made any attempt to police what I read or what I bought since I got an adult library card at age 10).

But partly it had to do with how I very much liked that in fandom, I could interact with people who were interested in me for what/how I could write - who didn't care how old I was.

I went to a Trek con when I was 18, with a friend who was also a slash fan, who was then 19 or 20. In the lift, when we'd just arrived, two little old ladies (that is, gentlewoman in their sixties, shorter than we were, very respectable) were talking about "the convention" and after they got out, we looked at each other and concluded that there must be another con in the hotel.

A couple of hours later, we'd found our way to the slash library, which was just a fan's room absolutely packed with zines from various people's collections: and over there in the corner, readng their way through a foot-high stack of slash zines, were those two "little old ladies" from the lift.

My head spun, my presumptions took a twist, and I have never been quite the same since. Also, I am now looking forward to being a slash fan when I'm in my eighties, and hopefully unnerving all the babyfans with "Ah, back seventy years ago when I first found slash fandom..."

I want fandom to be a space which is welcoming to people of all ages. But one of the things I've always loved about fandom, about interaction within fandom, is that people are much more interested in what you have to say than how old you are when you say it.

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